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rmoore0430

CDL

Hey My name is ryan and im new to the site i dont know if i over looked it on here but can someone please answer a questions for me , Im looking to start a LTL Hot shot business, my questions is what type of  driver license do i have to have to drive a F450 with a 40'flatbed or a 53' car hauler  

Thank You
Rmoore
Gary

Welcome to the forum Ryan, you'll need a commercial class A license.
rmoore0430

Hey Gary
can you tell me if i can take the test im my f450 or do i need to take it in a big rig
Thank You
Rmoore
Brisco

Do you have the trailer too already??

If not, and you do have an F450, then Yes, you can take the test in your truck. But, you have to have the right trailer, one that has a GVWR over 10K, to take the test with.

Not saying to go buy the trailer right now, just go rent one of those "bumper pull" heavy duty trailers that have at least 2 5K axles under it. Do all your "computer" testing first to get that out of the way, then find someone who already has a Class A to go with you to get the trailer, practice with them in your truck, and then have them drive you to the DMV to do the driving test. Trust me, you don't want to show up at the DMV all by yourself driving a "combo" unit that requires a Class A CDL to operate. They will get you for it.
rmoore0430

Brisco

Thanks for the input , this is the best site out there for the LTL industry , when you say 10k your talking about the axles correct , sorry for all the questions just trying to get my ducks in a row

Thank You
Rmoore
Gary

The trailer must have a tagged GVW (sticker on the trailer) that shows over 10,000 lbs before they'll let you take the class A driving test with it. The trailers we use here (in most pic's) have a GVW of 21,k to 25k. all our trailer have three 7k axles under them.

The shorter the trailer the better the chance of it getting away from you when backing. They'll only allow you so many pull ups before they fail you.  I'd rather use a longer trailer for the test myself. Either way set some cones out and practice, practice, practice. Where most guys seem to fail is during the pre trip inspection/walk around before they drive. Also pay close attention to signs as your driving. A lot of test givers like to ask you what that last sign said after you've passed it up.
Brisco

I just noticed you're here in the DFW area too.

Run over to your DMV office (don't know where the one for Garland/Mesquite is at) and see if one of those white single axle semi's with the 30ft pup trailer attached is sitting out there. It'll say "take your CDL Test with us" on the side. There's a guy named Alex here that runs like 12 of those trucks at all of our DMV sites that is assisting drivers getting their CDL's. I'm at my shop right now, but will PM you his # later. (#'s at home) He only charges like $300 and will spend a day, 2 days, 3 days, however long it takes, and if he has room in his truck, to teach you the right way to pass the test.

Here in Texas they don't require the "walk around" pre-trip testing anymore. It's all done on the computer now. Only thing besides the driving test you have to with the "Tester" in the truck is an "air brake" safety test, and if you use Alex's service, all his trucks are air brake equipped. Identifying air brake components, brakes, steering rods, and stuff like that is now a computer test. Best bet is to run to the DMV, grab the latest CDL Manual, tell the lady at the desk you're going for your full Class A, air brakes too, and she'll show what all sections to study. Study those for a couple of weeks, go take all the computer testing yourself(you have to have all that done before Alex will help you) and then call Alex and get hooked up with him. That way you'll have a full blown Class A with no worries. It'd be worth the $300 just to get it out of the way. Know what I mean.
Gary

No more pretrip/walk around in TX? Thats cool, I wish they'd do the same and put it on the computer over here in CA. Out here you have to say whats on a semi instead of your actual truck. Thats just plain stupid.

A 30' trailer would be ok to test with but man if you try it with a little trailer they can get away from you in a hurry.
Brisco

Gary wrote:
No more pretrip/walk around in TX? Thats cool, I wish they'd do the same and put it on the computer over here in CA. Out here you have to say whats on a semi instead of your actual truck. Thats just plain stupid.

A 30' trailer would be ok to test with but man if you try it with a little trailer they can get away from you in a hurry.


Yep, no more walking/crawling around a truck getting all greasy and dirty while the tester just stands there watching you do the pre-trip. It's all on the computer now. Some Testers will do a light check with you, but that's just to make sure you'll be legal while driving down the road during the test.

Remember, 95% of the people taking the Class A test will be driving an 18 wheeler if they pass the test, so I guess they figure if you have knowledge of Semi's, then you should know what that little dually is all about.

Oh yeah, RMoore, something dawned on me on the way home tonight. What is the actual GVWR of your Ford F450???? Fords F450 & F550 GVWR's are all katty whompuss. They're not like Dodges GVWR's. A Dodge 4500 has a GVWR of 16,500, both 2dr and 4dr. A Dodge 5500 has a 19,500 GVWR. Same thing, 2dr & 4dr.

Now, the Ford F450 and F550 GVWR's, 2drs & 4drs, range anywhere from 13,500 to 19,500. I've seen 'em at 14,5, at 16 flat, at 17,500, at 19 flat, and 19,500. I don't know why Ford has a varying range of GVWR's, but it's just really odd that Ford does their GVWR's like this because all the 450's are the same frame and all the 550's are the same frame. But that's Ford for ya. My opinion, get rid of it and get you a real truck, like a Dodge with a Cummins.

But, I bring this up because if you decide to try and take your CDL driving test with your current F450, then the GVWR of the truck plus the GVWR of the trailer you use must be over 26K for a Class A test. In other words, if your F450 has that lower 13,500-14,500 GVWR, then renting/borrowing a simple 10K GVWR trailer just won't work because them 2 added up are under 26K. Let's say you do have a 14,500 GVWR F450, then the trailers GVWR must be in the 11,5 to 12K or higher range. to put you at 26K or over.

United Rental (they're all over the place here in our area) has a few 30ft bumper pull trailers you can rent that are equipped with tandem 7K axles, but you need to have a hitch on your truck that'll accept a pintle hitch. It might be worth a try if you can't find a longer trailer to take the test in if you try and do it on your own. Yes, backing shorter trailers can get away from you if you let them, just take it slow because it's not a timed test you're taking. (I've never worried about backing myself. I can back a 32ft trailer all over a mall parking during the Christmas Eve shopping rush hour making all my turns on my blind side and not hit a dang thing. )

Oh yeah, guys name I mentioned earlier is not Alex, it's Carlos. His company name is Doran Doran CDL Testing. Ft Worth # is 817-992-5504.

Hope this helps!
rmoore0430

Brisco

     Hey Bro you have been alot of help thanks for all the input, i havent bought a truck yet but the reason i am going with the ford is my father is a GM of a Ford Dealership so i can get a good deal on one the the GVWR is 16,500 on the F450. So can i take the driving part of the test with carlos in one of his trucks
HardDrive

CDL

In Georgia..still have to do pretip..thats where most fail

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