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billyboy21

Hauling hay

Lots of hay coming into Texas, so here's the question.
With a duelly, and a 40' tri axle, how many 5x6 round bails can you haul. Round bails weigh around 1200lbs.
14"x48"x17"high square bales weigh around 60 pounds.
Thanks
Gary

We cut our load weight off at 15,000 lbs. Going with that number 15,000 lbs divided by 1200 lbs I come up with 12 and a half bails. So I'd say 12 to 13 bails.

I've never hauled round bails before myself. Hope that helps you.
billyboy21

Hey Gary!! Good to hear from you again. That dry wit, and wisdom's always good to hear!!
Thanks for the answer as always!
Dawico

I think hay bales are one of those loads that you can't compete with the big trucks for. You run out of weight rating before you run out of deck space, besides the round bales. With those, you have to go wide or tall to get 12/ 13 on the trailer.

I know there is good profit there, but the rain is back also. This is going to get the grass growing again and make those hay bales even heavier.

Another problem is availability. You have to drive far to get decent prices for what you can haul to turn a profit, unless you know some people that have some close.

I came back from Indianapolis with an empty 20' bumper pull, and couldn't find small Alfalfa bales anywhere on the way home. Round bales were hard to find, and I could only grab five if that.

Big trucks have been hauling hay in for months. There are plenty here, for a price. So you haul them in and sell cheap, and don't turn a good profit. Sell them at going prices and you may have to eat some as the market dries up with the rain.

Unless you really don't have any decent loads, I just don't think it is worth it. If you really must do it, I have family in MN that are selling square Alfalfa bales for $3 or so, but it is 1200 miles from my area. Good profit, but a ton of fuel.
Dylan

What he ^^^ said. You can't compete with the big truck haul it legally. People don't realize how heavy the round bales and large square bales are.
skippy

screw round bales. i can't help you there but i just sent my third load of hay to waco today, 35' trailer 05-08ish dodge dually loaded down with 325 small bales of alfalfa at 60 lbs/bale =19,500#'s hasn't run into any problems

1200/bale = 16-17 bales on the trailer by weight. but round bales are a pain and a hazard to load/ haul imo, but then again i'm biased since all i do is mid and small squares. also i think your small square bale sizing is off, 55-65 lb bales are generally 14x18x36-40 then theres 16x18x36-40 which can weigh 65-85 depending on how its baled, length also varies depending on preference and bale adjustment, but you can generally expect the length to be 36-40"

i know gary doesn't like to haul heavy, but in the hay business you have to pack as much weight/bales as you can to make a profit. Most of the time hay is hauled by the bale or per ton, not by the mile. but that also generally includes stacking and unloading if its small bales. i pull 12,000(200 bales) with a 20' trailer and old 3/4 ton pickups, so a heavier trailer and more powerfully and heavier pickup should be able to go over 15,000 and not think twice.
cummins man

all i been moving is hay for weeks thats the first thing thay ask how many can you haul 4x5 you can get 38 on a 48ft trailer and 42 on a 53ft if its costal the hay up north is not the same 5x5 or 6x5s you can only haul 30 on a semi and thats almost at 80,000 gross so on a mini float you could only get 10 rolls and when there paying semi's $2 a mile they are not going to pay more than $.75 a mile for just 10 they will just wait on a semi
ElkyRacer

cummins man wrote:
all i been moving is hay for weeks thats the first thing thay ask how many can you haul 4x5 you can get 38 on a 48ft trailer and 42 on a 53ft if its costal the hay up north is not the same 5x5 or 6x5s you can only haul 30 on a semi and thats almost at 80,000 gross so on a mini float you could only get 10 rolls and when there paying semi's $2 a mile they are not going to pay more than $.75 a mile for just 10 they will just wait on a semi


Wow. Had a guy ask me a few weeks ago if I had gotten into the hay hauling. I told him I had not, and wasnt sure what it paid, and where it was all coming from. He then told me $3.00 a mile. Im guessing he was off a bit on that price. He knew I was in a 1 ton as I frequent his business. Guess Ill scratch that off the list of possible fill ins for slow times.
billyboy21

Here's what I've been running into. Can pick up 5x6 round bales in the field for $65 a bale, and $165 selling price here. Load 13 to 16, come home and where to get rid of them. Just can't put up a stand buy the road!
the 14"x 48" bales I can load 260 bales $4 to $6 in the field, and $8 to $10 back here, but where to take them. I' get 0.36 a mile for fuel over, and $2.28 loaded back. I thought that was a fair deal, sure not many takers.
Guess you guy are right. The are getting all the work. They can get 30 plus a load at $1200 a load. Little guy knocked out again!
Dawico

Just smile when you see an 18 wheeler hauling a 8'x10' pile of nothing on his deck. That is when we get our payback. OK, not really, but remember, that is why we are Hotshotters not big rig drivers. There are some things we can do better, and some that they can do better. I believe they have us whipped in the hay hauling department.
cummins man

i been getting $3 a mile on a mini float but backhauls just dont happen when semis are doing it at $2 a mile a few brokers just hang up than some are farmers and they just tell me a doller a mile no thanks!!!
espressolane

Last hay load I did paid $275.00 a ton plus a flat $500.00 fuel.

Had to tarp load

Montana to Texas.
cummins man

Wow I need that guys number most I see is $100 a ton on a 1,000 mile run
espressolane

cummins man wrote:
Wow I need that guys number most I see is $100 a ton on a 1,000 mile run



need to load 48K.  these are like 4Ft X 6Ft . 28 to 32 bales.
cummins man

espressolane wrote:
cummins man wrote:
Wow I need that guys number most I see is $100 a ton on a 1,000 mile run



need to load 48K.  these are like 4Ft X 6Ft . 28 to 32 bales.

Like i said i need that guys number at 23 tons thats $6,325 pluse $500 in fuel thats $6,825 i have never hauled a load of hay in my life that paid close to that

I will go buy a semi today if thats the case
espressolane

cummins man wrote:
espressolane wrote:
cummins man wrote:
Wow I need that guys number most I see is $100 a ton on a 1,000 mile run



need to load 48K.  these are like 4Ft X 6Ft . 28 to 32 bales.

Like i said i need that guys number at 23 tons thats $6,325 pluse $500 in fuel thats $6,825 i have never hauled a load of hay in my life that paid close to that

I will go buy a semi today if thats the case



I would have to dig it up. It is a horse farm in SW Montana. Have a place that we deliver to a bit north. then deadhead down, like 100 miles.

Some times when the stuff is real green and fresh, you can only get 22 to 24 bales on.

most of the time I come out right at 79K, thats the stuff that pays the best. The older "aged"  bales pay less.
smr500

The hay trucks headed south to TX from up in my area are almost nose to tail. The TX drought has them scrambling for hay. I even see hay loads posted on the auto load board. I have thought about getting a flatbed and hauling a few, but not sure how much I could haul with my s/a semi.

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