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Colohauler

Help with Log Book

I need some help with the Summary of Hours Worked and Hours Avalible.

How do you do the tally of hours of On Duty time?

Is it a running total of hrs. for last 6 days and 7 days?

Do you start your time over after your 34 hrs of down time

Hours worked today    Total hours last 6 days       Total hours last 7 days

Eligible hours Tomorrow
Dorsey

Re: Help with Log Book

Colohauler wrote:
I need some help with the Summary of Hours Worked and Hours Avalible.

How do you do the tally of hours of On Duty time?

You add up the hours of on duty driving and on duty not driving. Line 3 and 4.

Is it a running total of hrs. for last 6 days and 7 days?

I use the 7/8 day. You only have to use one. Either the 6/7 or the 7/8 day.

Do you start your time over after your 34 hrs of down time

Yes.

Hours worked today    Total hours last 6 days       Total hours last 7 days

Eligible hours Tomorrow
Dorsey

I read somewhere on here awhile back and Gary could help you out with this by giving you a fake trip on paper and you do your log book based on that trip sheet and send your log to him and he would check it out.
Colohauler

I did that mock trip with Gary, but we didn't talk about tallying up the hours and if you go back to zero after your down time or if it a continuous running tally.
buster

Dale after 34 hours "off duty" you automatically get a restart back to zero hours worked. As far as the recap is concerned, You have to decide if your going to use 70 hours in 8 days or 60 hours  in 7 days. Once you decide, you must stay with your choice. I use 70 and 8.
You combine your on duty not driving and on duty driving for a total for the day. As an example lets say you worked
Mon - 11.5 hours
Tue  -  9.5 hours
Wed -  9.5 hours
Thu  -  10 hours
Fri    - 11.5  hours
Sat  -   9.5 hours
Sun  -    0
          61 hours Total for 7 days
70 hours minus 61 hours = 9 hours available to work on the 8th day which in this case would be Mon. On midnight of Mon. you would drop the hours worked on the first Monday and add the hours you worked on the second Mon. Lets say you work 7.5 hours on the second Mon. then you would have 57.5 hours worked in the last 7 days and would then have 12.5 hours available to work on the second Tues. If you took the second Tue off and started work at 12 noon on Wed you would get a 34 hour restart because you took 24 hours off on Tue. and the first 12 hours off on wed for a total of 36 hours.

Ok....CONFUSED!!!!!lol

Don't feel alone.
Colohauler

I think I'm getting it...so if you stay under 70 hrs. in 8 days you can just keep driving, as you drop days off it gives you that amount to add to your 8th day.

The only time you need to take the 34 hr. break is when you hit that 70 hours in less than the 8 days

Am I close?
Gary

Thanks Buster, you covered it great.

I never did the talley to the far right of a log page. It's not required. I do talley each day at the right of the graph though. I figure if an officer wants to look at my book that close I'd let him/her add it up for their self.  

A lot of the time you'll get a restart (34 consecutive off) over the weekend.

I always use the 70/8 also.
Colohauler

So Gary do you use a seperate sheet for your talley? FMCSA has a monthly tally sheet in their forms section, do we need to use that?
Gary

Sometimes I'd just keep a running total on a tablet other times I'd use the calculater and total them up each morning or the night before right off the log sheets.
buster

I'v been doing this for a VERY long time so I dont run a recap. I track it in my head. I don't recomend this because you can get yourself in trouble. I know guys who buy those truckers log book calculators they sell at truck stops for around $30. They work and keep track for you. Untill you have a good grip on it you should keep track somewhere. I agree with gary on not keeping track on the log page. If the D.O.T wants to add it up they can.
azdutch

so on the last day as the first day drops off you can keep on driving forever as long as the day that drops off cancels out the current days driving?
Gary

Yes Dutch just don't go over the 70 hours in 8 days and your ok. There will be times you'll have to shut down. For instance if the day that rolls off your log only gives you a few hours that you can run it's best sometimes to just wait another day or the full 34 hours for the restart.
espressolane

Old blue USA is a great site. Has lots of info

http://www.olblueusa.org/



Here is a log book slide presentation.

http://www.olblueusa.org/CDL&CMVSafetyInfoCenter/HOS2009.html
shstransport

I have been using http://www.driversdailylog.com/ for two years it's cheap and does all that is needed only catch is you need a printer in the truck to print out the log pages.Some officers will just look a the laptop some want the printout.But it tells you how many hours you have left all nice and neat  no more messy log books for me.  :D
espressolane

I looked at the eclipse logbook program a few years ago.

It is good for a company driver just looking to do logs only. Price was reasonable

The full version of Drivers daily log is a better program for O/O's  
It goes way beyond just logs, the expense and settlement tracking is a great tool.
It can do IFTA reports. Most data is exportable to Quicken or spreadsheet.
The customer data base is very good.

On the full version they have a GPS interface add on. It works with a number of software packages. Seems DeLorme and PCMiler are the top choices. Makes it a point and click for location info on logs.
Kernel

I've been using Laptop Logbook for about 8 months now. It's easy to use and if you want you can print out a pre-trip inspection report. You can dowload a free version to try out for 30 days. And, yes, you'll need a printer in the truck.

www.laptoplogbook.com
haulin rv

Drivers daily log for me, I've had it for about 6 years.
8ballexpress

Log Book

I've been using this particular Barjan brand logbook for a year. Very simple, very cheap. Even has V/I report on back of first page.

http://www.barjan.com/estore/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=11681

I always look at the different truck stops for them as most don't carry all the different ones. I was in a Road Ranger T/S in Iowa the other day and bought all they had, 11 @ 99 cents each.
smr500

I picked up a log book at a local truck stop to review and teach myself how to fill one out. I think I will get some loose leafs when I hit the road. My question is, what is required to fill out? I do not want to fill out more than what is required and some portions seem redundant to the paperwork we are already carrying. Some of the combo logs I looked at were quite busy, I like simple.
buster

A log book is a legal document. It must be COMPLETELY filled out. Remember that a team uses the same log book you do so mileage driven and total mileage for the day for a single driver will be the same. It asks for co'drivers name: put "none". It asks for home address and terminal address. Fill out home address with street #, street name, city, state and zip code. Fill out terminal address as "same". ALL blanks must be filled out Accept "recap". Recap can be left blank if you chose.
smr500

When you have multiple units loaded from multiple brokers what do you put in the BOL/Shipper area, all of them?
Gary

Yes I list all of the BOL numbers. And I remove them from the next page/day as each piece comes off my trailer. Someone else may have a different way of doing it? All I can tell you is I've never been hassled doing it this way.
smr500

Thanks Gary, the way my luck goes I would make a newbie mistake costing me hundreds of dollars.
Gary

You don't want nothing like that to happen. Whenever your unsure about something start asking questions.
Gary

Bump for Carlos
Walkinman

What do you put in the BOL number area? By that I mean do use an arbitrary number that you assign to your BOL?  Or do you use the load number that the broker assigned to it on your load confirmation?  I have yet to be hassled about this but I've just recently heard from a couple of truckers who got written quite hefty tickets for not having that stuff filled out properly...  

One situation I had that stymied me was having 3 cars on the trailer shipped by 3 different private parties... All were people I knew and trusted, plus they prepaid so no load confirmation per se. It would seem that in this particular case the info that the DOT would want would be so extensive, i.e. full customer name, VIN #, etc. And all of that info 3 times, no way to physically fit that info on the log page.  What to do then?  (I just wrote private party under the shipper and cars under the commodities headings and hoped for the best; didn't get stopped on that load so I never found out right or wrong       )
Gary

If there is no Document or manifest number on the BOL? The Shippers name, and commodity should be listed. Sometimes you have to write small to fit it all. I know it's a pain but failure to do it could result in a ticket, or change the meter.

This CSA 2010 deal, is already taking it's toll on Owner Operators/Carriers.  With any HOS (log Books) violations at all the meter changes (drops). Brokers and Shippers are now having to look at the meter before they can give their freight to a Carrier to protect themselves from any liability. Some Brokers are already saying that if a Owner Operator/Carrier has a 95% or less rating they're refusing to give them their loads. 95% is ridiculous, those brokers will run out of trucks to move their loads very quickly.

From here on out log Books errors won't be just a slap in the hand, or a 10 hour nap. Rack up enough violations and the meter moves to the negative and Brokers and Shippers may have no choice but to pass on loading your truck. Simple HOS violations can and will put Carriers out of business. This is why I've repeatedly let our guys know on here, and on the phone that we can monitor their logs for them if they want us to. We're just trying to protect them.
Walkinman

Gary, I've heard what you're saying from other people as well which is a big part of why I'm trying to be proactive and figure this out before it causes me an issue...

Let's say you're moving a vehicle for a private party: Customer name (easy enough) but what will the DOT accept in the commodities area?  Is make and model sufficient or do they want the VIN number or all of the above?

How about if you don't have an assigned BOL for whatever reason (private party shipper or something along those lines) and you write up your own BOL/invoice for them; can you just assign a number to it at random so to speak and will that suffice for the DOT or is there some more extensive procedure to follow to ensure that you're in compliance?
Gary

Walkinman wrote:
Gary, I've heard what you're saying from other people as well which is a big part of why I'm trying to be proactive and figure this out before it causes me an issue...

Let's say you're moving a vehicle for a private party: Customer name (easy enough) but what will the DOT accept in the commodities area?  Is make and model sufficient or do they want the VIN number or all of the above?

How about if you don't have an assigned BOL for whatever reason (private party shipper or something along those lines) and you write up your own BOL/invoice for them; can you just assign a number to it at random so to speak and will that suffice for the DOT or is there some more extensive procedure to follow to ensure that you're in compliance?


Name of Shipper, and Make model, or instead of the make and model a VIN would be fine, I've used all of these, never had any issues.

Shipper doesn't have a BOL and you have to make one out yourself? Yes you can assign a BOL # because it's your own BOL. I wouldn't pick a number out of thin air though because it'll create a book keeping nightmare for you. Just run a ledger of your own BOL #'s and keep track of them.
TxTowman

Bol's and recap

Every piece of freight should have a BOL, this usually gets a glance from DOT, and you are on your way,otherwise, especially in Colorado they will start the 20 questions routine.

Any entries that you put on your log are legally binding(after you sign it).
Anything you enter that is not required is subject to check and mistakes may get you a fine.

I never sign my log till its time to turn in. I don't know the legality of this.

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