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Dorsey

IRP plates

How much does it cost for IRP plates? Does the miles you plan on driving every year come in offect on how much they cost. Also does the amount of wieght you register your truck at make them a certian cost also( I was thinking of registering the truck at 36,000 lbs). Also if your new to this its probally better to have a company do your IRP and IFTA for you.......right????  

This forum has been a big help to answer alot of my questions.

Thanks,
Dorsey
Gary

Re: IRP plates

Dorsey wrote:
How much does it cost for IRP plates? Does the miles you plan on driving every year come in offect on how much they cost. Also does the amount of wieght you register your truck at make them a certian cost also( I was thinking of registering the truck at 36,000 lbs). Also if your new to this its probally better to have a company do your IRP and IFTA for you.......right????  

This forum has been a big help to answer alot of my questions.

Thanks,
Dorsey


Yes weight has a lot to do with how much IRP plates will cost. Not sure what FL charges but out here in California they get around $900 a year for all 48 States at 36,000.

IRP isn't really hard to figure. Just ask your licensing office/DMV for a IRP packet.
George

Hey Dorsey~

We just picked up our IRP plates last Friday.  Got the forms online.  In Michigan we have a heavy use tax (form 2290) on trucks that we had to pay to the IRS before we could get our plate. We needed proof of insurance, weight of truck, states in which we would operate, articles of Incorporation and a check.  We applied for 44 states at 66,000#.  Our plate cost $ 779.29.  This plate is valid until the end of Sept.  The cost of your plate is directly related to the weight of the plate you choose (truck / trailer & load) and how many states you are registered in.  
You will have to report miles driven per state when renewing your IRP plate. The entire process at the capital of Michigan took about 1 hour.
Hope this helps
George
Dorsey

Is the IFTA easy to do yourself?
George

We applied for ours and got everything we needed.  It was pretty easy.  I am in the process of applying on-line with IFTA to pay electronically.  I haven't done my quarter yet, so we shall see.....

Welcome to the forum.  Gary and the gang have been a big help and its good to know that before you make a mistake you can bounce your ideas off of the group and minimize mistakes.

George
Dorsey

Yes this forum has been a great help. There seems to be a great group of guys/gals on here. Seems like alot of the other forums I have browsed around the people on them have negative attitudes and seem like they would like to see you fail.  

I never thought there was so much you have to do to be legal to transport stuff. I thought at first all I needed was CDL, DOT, MC, insurance, truck, trailer, and loads. Correct me if I'm wrong here but what I have left to be legal is IRP and IFTA.? Thank you guys for all your help.
George

Yeah, there is a lot to it but don't get discouraged.  Most important don't be afraid to ask for help.  Our authority just went active yesterday.  We are still working on our safety and drug testing program and researching some IFTA software programs.  There are quite a few services out there that will file your IFTA for you.  Anywhere from $25 / month to $50 / quarter / truck.
mcgoo422000

For figuring Ifta miles I use my pc miler  program. I type in
my starting zip codes and all zip codes or city names
for all stops . Think my program will handle 50 stops .
Then I print a state by state report it includes toll miles and free miles .
I can normally do my quaterly report in less than two hours .
Fill it out online and the good thing is the system want let you submit a report with a error on it . Then for IRP I apply submit it online and use the four quaters as how many miles I run so all numbers match .
When using pc miler I use the short mile option as I want as few miles as
legally possible . The less the miles the less the money you pay !
My goal for Ifta and IRP is to keep as much of my money as possible .
Some drivers I've seen use a notebook and write down whenever they cross a state line and that way is fine too . The dot use's pc miler so I figure why shouldn't I ?
mcgoo
George

mcgoo, what classifys as "free miles"?  Are there different versions of PC Miler?  Which one do you use?

Thanks,
George
mcgoo422000

George wrote:
mcgoo, what classifys as "free miles"?  Are there different versions of PC Miler?  Which one do you use?

Thanks,
George


Toll miles are free when it comes to Ifta and freemiles are taxable on Ifta . my program is pc miler 20 I bought a copy from a driver at a truckstop . You can buy the newest version I think on diesel boss.com
like 299 . I could probally make a copy of the disc I have if I can find it .
mcgoo
Gary

Quote:
Seems like alot of the other forums I have browsed around the people on them have negative attitudes and seem like they would like to see you fail.


Dorsey thats exactly why I built this forum.  

Ifta is very easy to do yourself. Save your money don't pay someone to do it for you. If you get confused call Danny 760-868-6295 he'll explain it to you.
BigJohn

Hey everybody how are you all doing? Ok I know i'm going to sound real green here but here it goes. If I am not going over state lines do I need IFTA and IRP? What exactly are these two things?
George

Bigjohn,
No you don't need irp ( IRP Is the registration money you would owe the other states you will be driving in.)

IFTA
( International Fuel Tax Agreement) you will not need this either.
If you drive 500 miles in the state of Tx , But buy your fuel in OK .
All the road use tax goes to the state of OK. IFTA is the DOT/GOV way of  managing the road use to the road use tax.
BigJohn

OK, I think I got it.  In that scenario OK gets the tax money but I'm using Texas hwys. So I file this form so Texas can get their money. Is that right?
BigJohn

Hey Gary I have another question.  If I am going to travel out of state. I  will need to file with UCR, IFTA and IRP? Remember I do not have a CDL and I am under the 26001 lbs.  Thanks - John
Gary

Under 26,001 lbs No IFTA, Yes you'll need UCR, Crossing State lines for hire, yes you'll need IRP.
mcgoo422000

I would go ahead and get the IRP, IFTA AND UCR  .
I thought about doint same thing 3 years ago . All ikt takes it get caught one time and not have it . You will really limit yourself otherwise .
truck and trailer going to wiegh 16,000-19,000 .
So you could only take 6000-9000 lbs. depending and saty inside
one state would be difficult too .
Well except maybe texas . Here in Al. plate ifta and ucr was like less than
600.00 and i'm plated 33,000
mcgoo
Gary

Mcgoo do you only run inside the State of Alabama? Or do you run several States? The reason I ask is out here on the west coast just the IRP plates alone run more along the line of $1,000.00.
mcgoo422000

Gary wrote:
Mcgoo do you only run inside the State of Alabama? Or do you run several States? The reason I ask is out here on the west coast just the IRP plates alone run more along the line of $1,000.00.


I'm plated 48 states . ad valorem is 69.00 ? plate fee 375.00
ucr 49.00 and ifta 17.00 trailer tag 109.00
the only thing I didn't include is 4 quaters of ifta but I try to figure it as close to zero as possible . I've only paid extra once and it was 21.00 .
you guys are taxed to death out there . I know a of few folks that voted by leaving . To many hills out in western area for me truck probbaly wear out lots faster there ?
mcgoo
Gary

Those are some really good prices for plates, most other States are getting in the $1,000.00 price range for IRP in the weight range we run at. Yeah we are taxed pretty hard out this way, but the pay makes up for it. Lots of mountains to cross over also but it's some awesome scenery. kinda makes it all worth while. :D

As far as IFTA, it's such a small fee we don't give it much thought.
azdutch

I just did my plates and it came up to 1459.03$ for from today to the end of the year.  Dutch
Gary

 What do they have wanted for the entire year? AZ is even higher than CA.
azdutch

It was around eighteen hundred and change for the year using their prorated miles scale since I have yet to drive for hire.  I better pass the driving test on monday or I'll go broke sitting here paying for a trucking business that doesn't truck !  You guys feelin better?  That flu thats goin around is a real seat kicker.  Dutch
Wrangler

IRP Plates

I got my first apportioned plates in jan. and had to get a U S DOT number as a registrant (not a Carrier). Name and number must be displayed on the truck. I'm in Texas. According to TxDOT office this is now a Fed requirement.
Wrangler, out
Wrangler

Previously, my buddy held the registration (26 states last year) and I have no idea what that cost. This year I have the registration. Texas base, with Louisiana and Oklahoma to start. $550.00 to start. I can add states as I need them and the fee is pro-rated to the end of the year. Since I'm a "new" registrant my mileage is based on a chart supplied by TxDOT. Next year registration will be on actual miles driven in each state.
Wrangler, out
Wrangler

Sorry, forgot my manners. Been out of the loop for awhile. Trying to read everything and catch up. It's good to be back!
Wrangler
lgr transport

irp plates

I am new to the forum but find it very helpful. Should I use the GVWR rating for the truck and trailer which would be 32,400# to register for a irp  plate? Also should I register in my surrounding states for both interstate and intrastate authority being I am on the border of two states and  wish to haul in a 4-5 state area?  Thank you  for any advice.
mcgoo422000

Gary wrote:
Those are some really good prices for plates, most other States are getting in the $1,000.00 price range for IRP in the weight range we run at. Yeah we are taxed pretty hard out this way, but the pay makes up for it. Lots of mountains to cross over also but it's some awesome scenery. kinda makes it all worth while. :D

As far as IFTA, it's such a small fee we don't give it much thought.


Gary what wieght you using ? I'm at 33,000  thats 15,000 payload
ford is slow enough with that much on . So I don't think I'd go any higher
.
we have that here . I was up north once too in Or. They was talking about some fuel permit ? I already was plated there but was told it's different so I rolled through while scales were closed .
No loads out so I want go back
mcgoo
cosgotransport

When I just replated recently, 54k in all 48 states was $980.13 per truck.
mcgoo422000

cosgotransport wrote:
When I just replated recently, 54k in all 48 states was $980.13 per truck.


Do you have to pay the heavy road use tax at irs?
mcgoo
cosgotransport

No heavy use tax at 54k.  Works great on my small truck, but gets awfully close on the big one.
George

lgr transport -

Not all states call for intrastate authority.  I do know that MI and IL have intrastate authority requirements.  Intrastate in MI is only needed when a shipment originates in MI and is delivered in MI.  I think if you were to do a "Google" search (for an example OH intrastate DOT) you will find out if that state calls for intrastate.  

Your IRP ~ if you contact MI Center for Truck Safety they can assist you in figuring out the maximum your truck & trailer combo can scale.  

My truck & trailer combo could legally scale 61,000#.  They do not offer a 61,000# plate, so I plated for 66,000#.  I have been told you don't want to be caught weighing more than your IRP.

George
mcgoo422000

until I come here I was under impression interstate authority
took care of it all ? But according to some posters In. makes some good money off those that thoght the same as I did .
Now when I pick up and deliver in same state I print up a seperate bill
of lading with destination just across state lines from where i'm going . That makes it interstate . If it wasn't for this forum I might have found it
out the expensive way . How is a person supposed to find out each little states deals that should have been taken care of under the interstate
authority ?
mcgoo
Gary

If your planning on picking up something in a state that delivers inside the same state there is a possibility you'll need a permit. Not all States require it but some do. Federal authority or IRP doesn't cover hauling freight that picks up and delivers within a single states own borders.

For instance to haul freight from Southern California to Northern California or vis a, versa a Carrier based out of this State would need whats called a CA permit. I think KY requires a KYU permit, NY a HUT permit. and so on.

It's best to check with each individual State where your wanting to move a local load within it's borders to see if a special permit is required.

Some States require these permits but don't always enforce it or ask to see them. However if a State requires a permit and you don't get one you can be shut down, fined, and even have your  equipment impounded. Like I said it's best to check with the State your wanting to do a local load in.

Making up a fake BOL showing you crossed State lines to move such a load can  intensify the severity of fines/punishment if you get caught.
mcgoo422000

Gary wrote:
If your planning on picking up something in a state that delivers inside the same state there is a possibility you'll need a permit. Not all States require it but some do. Federal authority or IRP doesn't cover hauling freight that picks up and delivers within it's own borders.

For instance to haul freight from Southern California to Northern California or vis a, versa a Carrier based out of this State would need whats called a CA permit. I think KY requires a KYU permit, NY a HUT permit. and so on.

It's best to check with each individual State where your wanting to move a local load within it's borders to see if a special permit is required.

Some States require these permits but don't always enforce it or ask to see them. However if a State requires a permit and you don't get one you can be shut down, fined, and even have your  equipment impounded. Like I said it's best to check with the State your wanting to do a local load in.

Making up a fake BOL showing you crossed State lines to move such a load can  intensify the severity of fines/punishment if you get caught.


  Gary, when you call some of these states they don't have a clue .
Lots of them don't hardly answer the phone and are staffed by affirmative action employees . (you can only wonder why the gene pool didn't have more chlorox in it ?) So what would suggest lets say for example :  Load comes up paying 3.00 a mile it delivers in same state and you don't have intrastate authority in that state ? And it has to pick up in one hour and thats only load within 200 miles and it delivers next am . Oh. and it takes days to get intrastate authority in that state .
What would you suggest a driver to do ?

1. turn load down and continue hoping something will come up ?
2. turn load down and deadhead home ?
3. take load and hope you don't get asked about intastate authority ?
4  take load  run bol through copier and change destination 10 miles which is acros state lines and still inline with your travel  ?

 Now in the politicaly correct world 1 or 2 is the answer but here in
reality where we are at and frieght is slow and considering load pays near 1,000 I think 3 or 4 would be the one chosen by most .
Now thats not to say I reccomend it, it's just the way it is .
Anyone know how much it would cost to get intrastate authority in same half the states ?
mcgoo
Gary

Yeah I'd pick number 1. I get what your saying but if you risk taking the load and get caught whats the fine amount or how severe will the punishment be? I'm sure each State will look at it differently. If the officer who stops you or the scale master recognizers the Shipper/product as being inside the State then what? It's not like a load like it has never went by their scales, right? Falsification of documents to avoid State fees. Sounds like Tax evasion, possibly a felony? It might be a severe punishment? I'm just saying if your going to try it you might want to do some homework to find out exactly how severe the punishment could be before hand?

Some states  it could be as simple as a small fine. I'm just saying check before hand so you know what your risking.
George

Useful addresses and telephone numbers for state agencies.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/licensing/overview.htm

I called the IN Dept of Motor Carrier Services and they explained to me that they no longer require Intrastate Authority as long as you are UCR registered.  MI, IL & OH do require Intrastate Authority.
lgr transport

irp plates

thanks for the info George, talked to you on the phone last week.  This website will help answer some questions. Just want to start off right if you can get the same answer more than once, seems like everyone you talk to at Mi. IRP has something different to say.

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