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BigJohn

which CDL do I need

Correct me if i'm wrong. There are three classes of CDL. If I were to move up to a 40' float and started hauling up to 20,000 lbs which CDL would I need to get?  Do I need a class A or just a class B.  I can see now that I am going to need to move up to a CDL. So that I don't limit myself so much.
Gary

Class A is what you'll need.
Brisco

This is pretty much the "Federal" standards all states go by:

Quote:
The Federal standard requires States to issue a CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications:

Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Class B -- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.

Class C -- Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is placarded for hazardous materials.


In your case, you will need a "Class A" license because your trailer will be over the 10K weight limit.

We've had this discussion many a times on many a boards. Some people understand it, some don't. Some are running around with just a Class "C" non-CDL license pulling 15K lb trailers just bidin' their time 'til they get hit with that "OOS" and a huge fine.

What they can't understand is that the "Class C" restriction states "that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B", the key wording here. Just because no weight limits are stated in the "ClassC" clause, that doesn't mean that there is no weight limits, they just refer you to the "Class A & B" requirements.

So, if a trailer/vehicle being towed is "in excess of 10,000 pounds", then that clearly "does meet" the classification of Class A requirements.

Like one said in another post, be safe, just go ahead and get your Class A and be done with it. Know what I mean.............................
BigJohn

Thanks for the replies gents. I got another one. The class A is the same thing the big rig drivers have right? I don't need to know about air brakes and some of the stuff they know right. Or do I, to get the class A. Thanks again for all the help.

I checked on my authority yesterday and it looks like everything is good. My insurance co. didn't file my cargo policy. So I've had to wait for that before they would grant temporary authority. I've have done everything required to have a CDL except my med card. I am doing that next week and then I will meet all requirements needed by a cdl driver. At some point I will get my cdl. I want to run under the 26,000 for a little while to get my feet wet and then move up when I feel comfortable.
Brisco

Quote:
The class A is the same thing the big rig drivers have right? I don't need to know about air brakes and some of the stuff they know right. Or do I, to get the class A.


In Texas, you can get a Class A with an "L" restriction which covers "No Airbrakes - CDL Only". This is probably the Class of CDL 75% of the HotShotters here in Texas have.

Also, it's easy to get. Your profile says Cypress, Texas. I'm quite sure that's the one down near Houston, right? (There's also a Cypress, Texas about an hour east of Dallas, but I'm sure not any of their 65 residents are on here   ) If so, if you run by one of the Houstons DMV locations I'm sure you'll see a small bob-tail set up (single axle rig with about a 35 ft pup trailer) that'll say "We Can Get You Your CDL In One Day" painted on the side. Talk to them guys. Up here in the DFW area it's only like $300. They teach everything you need to know and let you use their truck to take the test in. All in about 2-3 days time.

Remember, til then, stay under 10K on your trailer, Texas DOT love to eat 1 tons with 40 footers for lunch every day.

Sometimes it pisses me off too. I mean, big rigs are not afraid of Texas DOT. Big rigs fly all over this state because Texas pays more attention to the "little guys" than they do the big guys. I cannot count how many times I have been passed by a big rig doing 80-90mph hoping that a DPS trooper nails him somewhere down the road only to come up to a Hotshotter with 4 pipes on his trailer having a full inspection done on the side of the road by not 1, but 2 DPS troopers.  
mrtruck

Make sure that you get signed up with a Drug Consortium and get a pre=employment drug test done on yourself even though you are the owner before you do anything and or cross any state lines.
BigJohn

Thanks for the info. I think the best thing to do is just go ahead and get my cdl. Hell I have already set myself up with everything but the license so I might as well get it.  I'm going to ck into it now and see if I can do what you mentioned Brisco.  Brisco you are right I am in Cypress down by Houston. Thanks again gentlemen.
mcgoo422000

Brisco wrote:
Quote:
The class A is the same thing the big rig drivers have right? I don't need to know about air brakes and some of the stuff they know right. Or do I, to get the class A.


In Texas, you can get a Class A with an "L" restriction which covers "No Airbrakes - CDL Only". This is probably the Class of CDL 75% of the HotShotters here in Texas have.

Also, it's easy to get. Your profile says Cypress, Texas. I'm quite sure that's the one down near Houston, right? (There's also a Cypress, Texas about an hour east of Dallas, but I'm sure not any of their 65 residents are on here   ) If so, if you run by one of the Houstons DMV locations I'm sure you'll see a small bob-tail set up (single axle rig with about a 35 ft pup trailer) that'll say "We Can Get You Your CDL In One Day" painted on the side. Talk to them guys. Up here in the DFW area it's only like $300. They teach everything you need to know and let you use their truck to take the test in. All in about 2-3 days time.

Remember, til then, stay under 10K on your trailer, Texas DOT love to eat 1 tons with 40 footers for lunch every day.

Sometimes it pisses me off too. I mean, big rigs are not afraid of Texas DOT. Big rigs fly all over this state because Texas pays more attention to the "little guys" than they do the big guys. I cannot count how many times I have been passed by a big rig doing 80-90mph hoping that a DPS trooper nails him somewhere down the road only to come up to a Hotshotter with 4 pipes on his trailer having a full inspection done on the side of the road by not 1, but 2 DPS troopers.  


They stop the hotshots cause they can don a walk around and call it a full inspection . I broke ohio up on that .I had a hearing there last december and the inspector had to admit the whole cmv department wasn't doing proper inspections . The oh. ag's office foiund I didn't violate any laws and are suppose to remove the os of my carrier record . They also stated I could legally sleep in my truck WITHOUT one of the overly priced dot
approved sleepers .  
mcgoo
mcgoo422000

Re: RE:

Midwest HotShotz wrote:
I am very new to this entire HotShot thing but have owned my own business and have been self employed for over 26 years, heck I had paper routes and sold crap from school kids magizines in the 4th grade so tack on a few more years.....

Point is
Many of the questions and comments on what to do and not to do sometimes seems to be "what is the minimum" I have to do to not get caught?  

From reading many of the posts it also seems as if EVERY STATE makes up their own rules, I don't know DOT....YET! but if they are anything like most (not all) cops it seems they are the kids who got picked on in school, are pissed they don't have "your" job, or whatever and are getting back at you/us.... The ex-wife syndrome

Back to the business point.... I have spent more money over the years doing everything legal or right (ie drive cars with insurance) but have never been caught up with something missing or done wrong and have gotten better work or pay because of it, I know spending money on "legal" stuff sucks but if you are "over insured" you may not pay for the problem down the road

I got my CDL yesterday, did the "rent a truck " thing, cost me $300 more than using the neighbors..... but, they told me what was going to be asked, their trucks were known at DMV and approved, and I passed, did the air brakes and multiples also, may never need it, but I have one more option in the "bank"

I am not directing this at any one person so please don't take it I as am a "know all" cause I don't but I can figure out if you have a legal sleeper, they can't bitch, legal trailer, they can't bitch, legal license, they can't.....

It also seems that posts I have read where guys have everything in order at the "gate" they assume you are legit, it's kind of like the guy who gets pulled over, can't find his drivers license and is searching for insurance papers..... cop starts to find other issues, I have asked Gary and others a bajillion questions, not because I am ignorant but becasue like many on here I want to do this right the first time and make a career out of it, can't afford to do it twice

Maybe I am way off track and my first time with DOT they may tear me apart, I hope not and hope I am over insured.....

its just my opinion


If you're just starting out and hadn't done bought a truck and traiiler.
I'd consider a big truck and trailer if you could afford it .
Loads are easier to get and you don't have to piece together 2 or 3 shipmets to make 1.50 a mile .  It sounds good but more shipment is
more of a pain than anything . As my daddy said "bought sense" is the best I've done the piece together thing and I try not to now . Some guys swear by it . All I can say is jump in with both feet and hope you can swim . good luck
mcgoo
Gary

Your right on track Todd,

In my opinon the last thing you need is a big truck. Personally you couldn't give me a big truck right now and I drove them for well over 20 years hauling the same type of freight we do today with these smaller rigs. LTL hotshotting isn't the easiest thing in the world to do, especially for a new guy just getting started. Thats why your coming to work with us, we'll be putting your loads together for you and as time pass's you'll have learned enough to go it on your own if you decide you want to.

I guess if a guy wanted to he could say we're kinda like a Hotshot school here. We even go as far as to monitor log books for the new guys who have never done them before if they want us to. Most of the guys who visit this forum only see a small piece of what we actually do for the guys we build loads for.

While your working with us we got your back.
hill_billy_truck_driver

EXAMPLES
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Power Unit              |     Towed Vehicle       |  Combined GVWR   | CDL Group
1. Under 26,001      |     Under 10,000        |   Under 26,001        |    N/A
2. Under 26,001      |     Over 10,000          |   Under 26,001        |   N/A
3. Under 26,001      |     Under 10,000         |   Over 26,001         |    N/A
4. Over 26,001        |                                   |                               |       B
5. Over 26,001        |     Under 10,000        |   Over 26,001         |       B
6. Under 26,001      |     Over 10,000           |   Over 26,001        |       A
7. Over 26,001        |    Over 10,000           |   Over 26,001         |       A
Brisco

hill_billy_truck_driver wrote:
EXAMPLES
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Power Unit              |     Towed Vehicle       |  Combined GVWR   | CDL Group
1. Under 26,001      |     Under 10,000        |   Under 26,001        |    N/A
2. Under 26,001      |     Over 10,000          |   Under 26,001        |   N/A
3. Under 26,001      |     Under 10,000         |   Over 26,001         |    N/A
4. Over 26,001        |                                   |                               |       B
5. Over 26,001        |     Under 10,000        |   Over 26,001         |       B
6. Under 26,001      |     Over 10,000           |   Over 26,001        |       A
7. Over 26,001        |    Over 10,000           |   Over 26,001         |       A


Post the link to the "official" website as to where this info came from please.
It almost looks like it's "One" persons interpretation that they tried to personally chart out.

Thanks!!
hill_billy_truck_driver

http://www.sdtruckinfo.com/docs/FMCSRCDLchart.pdf

I have CDL book in my hand.
According to the book --

You must have a CDL to operate :

- A trailer with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds IF the gross combination weight rating (GCWR) is 26,001 pounds or more.
Brisco

I like that chart. Wish all states would break it down like the way South Dakota has. But, this is South Dakotas interpretation of what the requirements are for different classes of a commercial drivers license.

Trust me, many states have put drivers (mainly RV Transporters and in Texas, even hotshot rigs) OOS - out of service and fined for running with a trailer that has a weight over 10K even when the gross combination weight has been under 26K.

Florida is the main state that has put many a RV Transporters OOS for coming across their scale with a 12K fifth wheel attached to a 3500. Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona have also put Hotshotters OOS that have been running trailers with weights over 10K when the drive was running with just a Class "C" CDL. Also heard that Iowa has nit-picked here and there when it came to drivers running RV's with just a Class C non-CDL.

My opinion, while South Dakota has it clearly outlined as you have shown, I wouldn't take a chance with arguing with a Florida or Texas DOT officer in Florida or Texas when it comes to weight restrictions with a Class C CDL. They will still put you OOS if they feel like they are right and if you decide to fight it, will it be worth the hassle having to come to Texas or Florida from South Dakota on your time for the court hearings? Just go ahead and get a Class A and be done with it, know what I mean.....................

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