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ccoop769

WIDE LOAD REGS!!!!!

Need help. Im starting to do some boats. Other then a wide load permit each state I travel through, what else is required. I know I need banners front and back. What about red flags and amber lights. Most boats on triaxle trailers i will be doing are 8.6, but some will be 10 and a couple will be no more then 12. Keep in mind every boat I do will be on the customers trailer so I cant make permanent mounts for flags. Please update me on what else i need to do and what widths are required for what device, and days and routing or anything. I cant really look on internet now as im busy as heck and have to run to truck stop to do some oversize shopping. Thanks


Gary

Sounds like you have it about figured out. Just reffer to each state in your motor carrier atlas. It lists phone numbers for OD  permits and such. Be sure to ask each state for routing and curfews. Amber flashers are required in some states and not others. be sure to ask.
kaler

That is a nice MTI it looks like a 39 race/pleasure.

I have towed this boat all over the west coast but have been as far east as Kentucky I run wide load front and rear I had pockets sewed into the front wideload sighn so I could slide the red flags into them (I got sick of trying to tape them on) the trailer had 2 tubes on the back for the flags and a magnetic amber on the back of the trailer (battery opperated)Some states allow you to opperate at night some dont make sure you get permits ahead of time what a pain in arse.. If you want to haul more highend boats go here and let them know. www.offshoreonly.com
kaler

One more thing if you are going to haul boats on (customers trailers) do your self a favor and buy a bunch of  different size wheel bearings...
ccoop769

Thanks guys. I have a manufacture that builds these boats a few miles down the road from me. Im going to start handling all of there loads, and he has been in the biz so long, he even is getting me backhauls. All of his boats get made from scratch and go to elkart IN to get painted for 2 weeks, then gotta bring those back. Sounds like I will have a truck that will be designated just for this manufacture. I have a 50 foot 12 wide catamarn coming soon that I have to bring to elkhart. I just went to the store and got 2 banners and 4 flags. Was going to buy amber but I thought that was for 12 and over. Thanks guys and I surely will be calling each state to figure them out. For the last poster, yah, i wsa wondering where I was going to put the flags, i made sure i bought flags with the wood poles and figure I would tape them on trailer. Do the flags need to be on front and rear of trailer??? or front of truck and rear of trailer??? I just bought 4 flags. The sewing idea sounds cool, i will figure it all out after a few trips with wide loads. My first 1 should be tomoroww as posted above, but my avg size boats will be 40-50 feet long, the 39 is just my starter.
Gary

If your going to get into hauling wide loads do yourself a favor and build a rack like I did for the front of my truck. I drilled the tow hooks and pin the rack to the truck. Keeps the sign and flags from scratching the truck up. I even welded some small pipe to the rack to hold the flags.

Here's some pic's

http://ltlhotshot.myfreeforum.org/about11.html
ccoop769

Crap, so I need 6 flags then, right???? arghhhhh, nearest truckstop from me is 30 miles away
Gary

May need some marker lights for night also unless the trailer has some that stick out to the full width of the boat.
ccoop769

I will make sure to take pics. Prolly gonna take me just an hour to figure how im going to mount everything, lol
kaler

ccoop769 that should be a great job,Tell Dean the "FRISCO CAT"boys said hi. He owns TAOD also ask him about Jeff Muray lol he use to tow most of the offshore boat till he started doing alittle side work stealing them..http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/181141-bgchuby01.html
kaler

This may or maynot be correct maybe Gary can chime in,I ran 2 flags on the front bumper of the truck and 2 on the rear of the trailer.never had a problem
Gary

I always put some on the side of theload also. Just to make sure it got the attention of passing motorists. You may not want to do it because it could work on the boats paint job?
Tosch88

Every state has its own stipulations for oversize loads. When you pull your permit they should send a provisional sheet with it. If not make sure you go on each states DOT website to find out the lighting laws, tavel times, flag position, sign size and speed limits. Do your home work before you get started, trust me it will pay off. Also, Georgia requires a special insurance before they will allow you to pull a permit. I'll have the wife look it up as we went threw that this year. Most states require amber rotating lights on the truck and if it isn't visual from 360 degrees they require one on the rear of the trailer. We bought magnetic lights for the trailers that run on d batteries. That way we could place them were ever they needed to be. Do a quick google search for oversize flags and it should bring up suction cup flag mounts. That way you can put your flags at the widest point of the load, at each corner of the truck and trailer. 4 flags are required but we run at least 6 just to be a little safer. If your looking for a permit company, we use Jack's Permit Service (800) 223-5479 ask for Ron Orcutt he's the best guy there. If you have any other questions let me know. This is what our main business is for 7 months outta the year. I have learned the hard way and it can be very expensive.
kaler

Alot of the new MTI,Nor-Tech and Skater cats are being put on these trailers......



We dont need no stinkin wide load permit......just 100k for a tilt trailer . :D    
Gary

Nice trailer.
kaler

Gary wrote:
Nice trailer.

Alot of guys are going with the tilt trailers so they dont have to deal with permits and the big thing is holiday weekends and wide loads and those just happen to be the weekends you most likely would use your boat.
Vegas Max

California requires red flags on the 4 corners of the load and oversized load signs front and rear. Also in CA you better check the municipality and or county your going into or coming out of because almost all of them require OD permits. Even if you come under a freeway bridge and accidently wind up in a different jurisdiction, you can almost bet on a "NO permit" fine! If you don't have them, fines start around $1200! AZ, NV, ID, WY and UT require the same thing. NM requires a flag on all 4 corners of the load and each side of the front and rear of both the truck and trailer. CO requires the same as NM but you also need a amber flashing light on the cab and the rear of the trailer. Also in NM and CO if your running in a convoy of 2 or more OD loads you HAVE to HAVE at least a half a mile between vehicles. MT doesn't require anything until you get to 12 foot wide. As far as I know an oversize sign is required NOT a wide load sign in ALL states. All states require amber lights on the 4 corners of the load at night. I mount mine on the rub rail near the front and rear of the load and have yet to be questioned. If and when you get your permits, you need to see the time curfews of the cities your going to go through because if you get stopped during the curfew the state DOT or even a city cop , in some cases, can pull your permits on the SPOT!
I'd say about 50% of my business is OD loads.
Jerry
GTS8704

A good source of information for oversize loads.

Check to see if the TA truck stops still carry a book called something like "Oversize Load and Pilot Car Directory".
This books has all the current state by state rules and regulations for trucks and pilot cars, plus sunrise/sunset tables and pilot car advertisements. A few years ago it cost around $10.
phil

Coop, aside from all of the OD stuff you have to be really carefull about state to state transport of water craft. Fisrt of all make sure that the boat is 100% dry. Some states will not let you transport a boat across their lines unless it has been cleaned and ceritified. Sometimes they are just checking to make sure that the boat didnt come from a "certain" state that my be having a bacteria or algea problem.
Tosch88

As you can see there is a lot more to OD then just getting some flags and permits. Thats why it pays much more (or it better). Lots of headaches to deal with. We do mostly 12' to 16' wide loads. Somedays it isn't worth it. Good luck!
GTS8704

http://showcase.netins.net/web/directory/

Here is the link for the handbook on oversize regulations. Wow, it has really gone up in price just like everything else...now $13.95.

It's worth it if you have anything to do with oversize!
Brisco

Vegas Said:

Quote:
Also in CA you better check the municipality and or county your going into or coming out of because almost all of them require OD permits. Even if you come under a freeway bridge and accidently wind up in a different jurisdiction, you can almost bet on a "NO permit" fine! If you don't have them, fines start around $1200!


Elaborate a little...............

Is this "Point of Delivery" and/or "Pick Up Location", or does this pertain to "Just Passing Thru"???

I'd hate to see the hassles one must go thru if say, they pick up a boat in San Diego for delivery up in Washington state. How many counties would one go thru starting at the bottom of the state and running all the way thru it to Oregon. 30-40-50 Counties?

Do you have to contact each and every county for an OD Permit?

Just wondering, your quote caught my attention.  

Brisco
Vegas Max

Good question...That pertains to point of origin to the freeway and from the freeway to the delivery point. Thats if you have an annual permit in each state that your picking up in or deliverying in. In my case I have to buy a single oversize trip permit every time I go through AZ because "my load changes dimensions" virtually every load . So, when I buy the permit, the DOT cop asks me what specific route I'm taking. Your allowed on and off the route for fuel and meals etc. "within" reason. I, even though I have a Utah annual permit, have to stop at the St George POE and buy an AZ permit for the 30 miles I travel accross the AZ Strip. I've never been stopped going for fuel or anything as of yet. California is the ones that'll get you in the different municipalities! We had one of the leesers go from Anaheim and go under the 57 freeway into Pacoima and the Pacoima PD was sitting on "their" side of the bridge and nabbed him for something like $400 for not having a permit in their city. He got away "cheap" because the cop said it was his lucky day...it should have been $1200. Because when you get a permit in each town or city they are put on your insurance policy to CYA in case of an accident. So you have to be careful!
Hope this answers your question.

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