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Swamp Weasel



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Location: Palmetto, FL

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:53 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Gary & Greg-

Yea, I guess I was hoping someone else thought buying a pre emission truck was a good idea.?  The only problem I've seen is the newest 5.9L are now 10yrs old..  Glad I've got people to bounce these ideas off.  Maybe I'll find a good deal on a '16 as the '17's start to roll out..  Had this same thought last year & was waffling again about getting another pickup, or cab n chassis.  Maybe I'll actually make up my mind this time..


Greg- The Chevron delo 5-40 in the silver bottle?  I've used it once as my local store was out of the t-6 rotella.  Had no complaints, & on the plus side it's about 3bucks cheaper a gallon.  I give it a whirl again next time any see if it looks any better..
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swamp, there's a Ram dealer up in NC, or SC that advertises some good prices on new trucks on eBay.

Here in SoCal, they have some big numbers on window stickers but if you catch the dealer at the right time you can get them to come down a lot. A good time to haggle is at the end of a holiday weekend, late in the day.  I got them to knock over $20k off the window sticker on my Laramie.
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Cummins5.9



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Location: Hawthorne, NV

PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swamp, I'm having the same issue as far as the 3500 vs 4500 decision. The biggest thing I'm struggling with is the GAWR. I have a '12 3500 that I've pulled out of VA at 31,920, and a few other lighter loads. I had to work to keep the weight off the axle. Couldn't put fuel in the 74 gallon tank, took chains, binders, etc out of the trlr front boxes and so on. The '16 only gains 400 lbs over my '12. I bought the '12 in early '13 due in part because of the DEF because I'm old fashioned and hard headed! But I still keep coming back to the 4500 because of the 12k lb axle. I can have my fuel (52 & 22 gal tanks) and more if needed, plus tools, etc, etc. If I do go to the step deck trlr eventually I really need the 4500. The dealer I got mine from and may go back to if they treat me ok says why go to a 4500/5500 when they are detuned, etc, etc. Somewhat of a tough decision when you're spending that kind of money. One good thing, these Dodges hold pretty good value. Mine is a Limited and they would give me a pile of money for it even at the Chevy dealer!! I have only 45K on mine but I am going to go with the DEF, when I can make up my mind which one that is..LOL But I do feel your pain...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:56 pm    Post subject: 3500 vs 4500 Reply with quote

I have a Ram 4500 and am happy with it, but how do I get it retuned to match horsepower of 3500? Thanks
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Location: Palmetto, FL

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey fellas, been checked out for a while but anyways...

Yep still haven't made a move yet truck wise, but its only proving to slowly get worse..  Turbo is starting to lag really bad, & exhaust brake fails to activate intermittently.  I'm guessing she's sooted up pretty good making the vanes stick..  

Gary, I actually bought my current truck in Hickory, NC so that could be the same place you've seen some of the deals.  They got a '16 3500 crew C&C I've been looking at.  $39k without haggling is hard to beat.  

What do u figure a basic upfit to be legal would run?
Rigid Binkly 5er.-from hitchcrafers with mounting plate $1300??
Poly fenders-with mounting kit $300-$500??
7way rv-style trailer wiring $100-$200??
Not necessary but diamond tread deck plate $500-$600??

Do these figures look like they'd be accurate?


Power wise, yea the HO power ratings in a C&C would be awesome.  Maybe you could get an EFI live guy to make that happen..  Not sure, I've yet to look into it..
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to be at the same power level of a HO or even more,then EFI the I'll definitely get you there and they also tune your exhaust brake to brake even stronger.Check out PPEI kori Willis tunes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ontimetransportnd wrote:
If you want to be at the same power level of a HO or even more,then EFI the I'll definitely get you there and they also tune your exhaust brake to brake even stronger.Check out PPEI kori Willis tunes.



Good look'n out, I'll check into that.

But yea, reason behind the thought of only tuning to the HO levels is, if Mopar/Cummins/Aisin all ok'd that amount of power there, should still be a fair amount of safety margin built in..  Some extra kick on the exhaust brake would be sweet too..


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Part of my want also would be that 12k rear in the 4500, & I believe your actually getting a whole lot more truck than a 3500 pickup.  

-much stronger rear frame section
-bigger fuel tanks, + the dual tank option
-way bigger stopping power
-heavier running gear
-commercial tire life/ different steers & drives if you wanted

You get the picture, I know you know all this already.  Just trying to help with a little pro con list.  But it's crazy, the HO pickup power really clouds my brain & makes me waffle...

Let me know if you've made a choice, & how your liking it...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swamp, Just purchased a 2017 Ram 3500 Laramie Crew from the same dealer in Kellog ID that I bought the 2012 3500. Haven't pulled with it yet but the 1100+ mile drive home let me feel and here the difference in the power and response especially with the 4.10's. I also bought the 32K Trailer Saver Hensley hitch. Barely enough room but my 74 gallon transfer tank does fit with the hitch. The '17 Ram has 600 more pound GAWR than my '12. Ate 2/3 of that with the hitch but will have to do for now. Decision for 3500 is that I don't haul full time right now and don't know when that might happen plus the truck is our "car" for all of our trips out of town (70 miles +). I don't drive it around town so the shortest round trip is 140 miles at 70mph. That's why my '12 never went into regen. Other things that might have helped is oil changes at 5K and the PS additive all the time. The fuel mileage on the '12 never got better than 16.5mpg empty with the 3.73's. The 17' with the 4.10's already showed better fuel mileage than the 12' when it was new on the same 1100+ mile trip home. If I knew I was going to be hauling freight all the time and/or didn't use my truck as a car 90% of the time for the foreseeable future I would have picked the 4500 in a heartbeat! Good luck on your decision, be safe.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for you brother.  Sounds like you got yourself one hell of a nice new rig, & something that will work well for your situation..

 Did Ram up the GRAWR again?  In '12 its 9350 for the pickups.  Last I checked it was 9750 for pickups & 9850 for 3500 C&C..

I also have been using my pickup as work & personal use, but I just got myself a Durango for around town so this should help me if I decide to go with a C&C for dedicated work use...


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