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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:10 pm    Post subject: new to forum  Reply with quote

I'm currently a company driver of a class 8 2013 Volvo and 53 dry van operating out of Reno Nevada, generally dedicated twice a week from Sparks Nv to Seattle and Portland area and back home for my 34.
Have read some of the debate over will it be a dually or a heavier weight semi to operate. Ive some insight as Ive seen our small company with our own shop and recovery truck attempt to make a modest profit with class 8 tractors, it does not pan out pulling dryvans for what we are getting currently, that is around $1.45 per mile average leasing under a carrier ...
Is why i'm starting in with my 2015 Ram 3500 LWB CREWCAB Aisin 6 spd along with a 53ft. shipshe stepdeck currently on order.
I'm able to operate under my current employers authority but am open to leasing on with one of the RV hauling outfits in Northern Indiana.
I've much to learn in this new venture but must say, its all better than what were currently doing out here.
Class 8s whether older or newer are high dollar maintenance...the older rigs we run ..say our 2007 freightliners with over a million miles are more reliable but those miles require us to be constantly recovering broke down rigs....and our newer stuff say 4 to 900,000 mile Volvos 2010 to 14...theyre leased from our carrier whos company trucks become unreliable and not worth the upkeep...so they lease them to us..we have learned the hard way..
All thee rigs are capable of attaining 7 to 8 mpg with 60 to 80,000 pounds average load but unless the newer dpf engines are constantly tweeked as the check engine lights come on, they arent doing better than 6mpg, that is if the driver is averaging 60 mph cruise and not idling all night 9 months out of the year, and they do....run 70 and I catch them idling on a 50 degree night...
This argument for single axle semis...do you realize they require chain s on single axles on every grade..twin screws only where it is genuinely bad....singles loose traction to easily...and truthfully I dont see alot of single axle sleepers for sale...
All this being said. the class 8 rigs would have much more versatility for backhauls and loads in general and id prefer a low mile Volvo twinscrew Volvo sleeper such as Im in now provided theres the money required for upkeep...and there is in this wheeled vehicle and ltl niche...
Ive talked to guys out here running regionally with a shipshe 53 stepdeck either dually or class 8 tractors complaining about the $1.65per mileaverage with low pay backhauls they were making with star transport....we could show a profit with class 8 tractors at that rate and with a dually dont kid yourself.....newer class 8 semi automatic trannys are running 25 to 50 grand for rebuilding..an Aisen 6 speed is what ..under 8 grand ? Averaging even as low as 11 mpg compared to our ..under 6mpg of our fleet6..  A volvo engine is gonna run you 30 k to drop in a used one...and weve had em blow at 300,000 miles with dealers not honoring warranties...and if you cant recover your brokedown tractors...can easily run 2 grand to get them towed to a shop...
Is why ive deccided to start out with a dually and lightweight all aluminum deck shipshe stepdeck.
As I sail ive alot to learn about this new hauling but know to well that the typical owner of 20 class 8 dryvan haulers cant make it unless hes driving full time as well...and those payments on the new stuff...$900 per week lease which includes the mileage charge...and by the way..California can be mighty expensive if the NAZI CARB catches you running an older rig there..and the scales on the west coast tend to pull in older equipment for there level 1 inspections...I know from hard earned experience that theyll write you for everything whether it be real or imagined,...D.O.T. scalehouse officers are bandits but we cant shoot back..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum.

I've heard many guys out there with class 8 trucks (including Independents) saying exactly the same things you have here, about earning less than $1.50 per mile. Same things about repairs and maintenance. I ran class 8 for many many years myself so I keep a close watch on what's going on in the class 8 sector.

I like your plan with the shipshe trailer as long as it has a full floor so that you can haul freight and vehicles both on it. Another adjustment I'd personally make is I'd either get a 4500, or 5500 without a bed to pull that 53' trailer with.  With a 3500 dually "pickup", hooked to a 53' shipshe, in California you will only be able to haul vehicles on it. That's because of Californias truck trailer/tractor trailer length law here. Trucks with any type of bed on them here in California can only be 65' in total length, except Auto Transporters. They can be longer.

I just hate to see you cut yourself out of being able to haul freight.

I also think you should get your own authority instead of trying to run under someone else's.
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Rickreednv



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Location: Reno, Nevada

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Appreciate the heads up on the Cali 65ft. Pick up restriction...I've already plans to pull my bed off, mount a 32000 pound Holland 5th wheel to frame...Add auxillary fuel tank etc....Will be lightening the rear axle 500 pounds without the pick up bed....
  Have ordered my trailer with full aluminum deck as I was advised
to be able to do LTL as well... Would prefer a 4500 with it's heavier  
Rear axle payload...But need to start in with what I have... Sacrificing my Volvo sleeper for a bunk made up where passenger seat was...
   I'm aware of my approx payload max on my 3500 crew cab without bed....Say 6400 pounds .....But keep hearing that there not focusing on a dually rear axle weight at scales.. Your opinion id appreciate....Am ordering my tandems spread 14 inches to take some weight off rear axle.... Could do more to reduce that weight via furthers spread and other ideas but am I over thinking it?
  Guys on threads are touting the class 8 sleeper your loosing with a dually...Who says? If I were to purchase a 4500 cab an chassis. I'd order it long enough to mount a peterbilt sleeper behind standard cab....Was a carpenter before the crash of 07 so look forward to adapting such. Aerodynamics are crucial so some feathering into a Dodge dually cab with sleeper is doable..
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dot is getting wise to rear axle weight ratings on 3500's. Mainly because of all the 3500's pulling wedge trailers out there having accidents. The spread will definitely help you but why not just have a third axle added in the build?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd thought the same concerning either say a wider spread  of say 8 ft. Which would give me a center of axles of 36 ft and may do the trick of keeping pin weight legal.....Or have considered a triaxle but always read that they chew up tires...
There's a calc table on line that tells what percentage of weight is on dually rear depending on center of rear axle point..,. Possible better than fixed triaxle I could add a air bag operated tag axle forward to shift weight off front of trailer...
I'd of course lift it on curvy roads...An tight turns...Always have it bearing weight at scales...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 2015 3500 ram I purchased for 37k with 65k on odometer...It'd  been at least 55 new with the options.....I've thought about selling it and buying that 5500 with a 4:10 if available...To keep deadhead mpg higher...It'd have a rear axle capacity over 11 k...
  Problem with trading up.....I paid near 3 k. In sales tax on the 15.... Would have to pay an additional 4 k on a 50 k 5500 cab an chassis....I'm a Nevada resident so no getting around sales tax as we've no state income tax...
  Also there's the illogical ram specs that only give a 45 or 5500 tow capacity of 17 k unless you've a 4:88 gearing....they rate my 3.73 3500 at 25k tow capacity...salesmen are clueless​ as to why...the 4:88.is more like an army deuce an a half and lowers mpg to what..,10 all the time...Of course that's not the legal limit for towing but Dodges preference and I don't think they'd know if you were actually towing the over 30 k there made for..
 I'd luv to order that longer wheel base enabling me to fabricate a spacious sleeper...
    All being said Its probably wiser to run my 3500 and keep the weight off my rear axles....But it is legal to tow the weight with the 3500 but I gotta say the exhaust brake leaves much to be desired...And I believe my disc brakes are smaller than the 5500 so it's much to consider ....
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a spread axle, or triple axle trailer you just have to take your turns wider and slower. These posts you see out there. I'd bet money that whoever made them is a rookie, or was a rookie when they experienced their tire damage on a three axle.

This conversation reminds of a time I was in Sinclair Wyoming. I was walking from the truck to the store and a JB Hunt flatbed spread axle made a tight u turn going way to fast. The jack wagon almost ran me over. He had a giant steel coil on, must of weighed at least 40,000 lbs. He was Moving at a pretty good clip and when he cranked her around the tires on his spread were screaming for help. The trailer was rotating on its side walls. You could hear the trailer cracking and popping.  Everyone at the fuel island was staring at that fool. That's how you mess up tires on a 3 axle, or a spread axle.

My equipment rarely goes anywhere these days but back when we were running our triple axle steady we could get 100,000 miles out of our tires.  The first three axle I owned, we put 80,000 miles on it and sold it to buy a longer one. 80,000 miles on it and we didn't have to put any tires on it, or ever pull a drum off. Had I kept it, within the next 20,000 miles I'd of torn it down for an inspection and likely would've put new tires on it at that point.
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Location: Palmetto, FL

PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rickreednv

Some Ram info for you..

If you ordered a 3500 cab & chassis with max tow 4.10 rear 30k GCWR
4500 with max tow 4.44 rear is 32.5k GCWR
5500 with max tow 4.88 rear is 37.5k GCWR

For some reason you have to get those gears in each model or Ram changes the GCWR..

IE 4.44 rear in a 5500 won't net you a 32.5k factory GCWR..
& 4.88's in a 4500 won't get you 37.5k GCWR.  Weird right..?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a picture of a tire Milks Transport sent me this morning.  He ran over a large staple so he needed to have it patched. This is one of his 14 ply tires on his 3 axle Lowboy. This tire has over 100,000 miles on it.  He says that the other 5 are in the same condition.  Just goes to show you everybody doesn't scrub the tread off their tires on these 3 axle trailers.  



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow!!  100k, that tire looks great still!!

Also, for anybody interested, in 14ply trailer tires.  

Recently they have FINALLY begun making them in the 235/80r16 size.  Previously I believe they were only offered in the 85 series which was about 1" taller..

The Samson GL285 t & Sailun s637 should be available in the new 80 series size..


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