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Vision Wheels 19.5-inch with 8 Lugs.
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PeteK



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:35 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Know this topic is old. But I ran 19.5's on my 2004 Chevy 2500. As I was using it to haul a big slidein truck camper with 8ft slideout. Along with pulling a 20ft boat. All this on a short bed crew cab 4x4. Bought the Rickson 19.5's


I had 225/70R-19.5's on the wheels. Ride was great loaded, tires was almost the same size as factory. Used the factory lugnuts and center caps. I ran these for over 7 years on that truck. Guy I sold the truck to, did not need the bigger wheels and tires. So I still have them
Wheels rated at 5000 lb each. Tires on them I would have to check. But I think they were 4960 per tire. I did mount one on my RV. To just see if it would fit.

Anyone that needs extra tire and wheel ratings. Plus tires that last longer. These work. And I know some bring up that you may wear out other items on the truck faster. I got more miles out of front hubs. Then others with factory tires and wheels did. Front end was still tight as new when I sold the truck at 10 years old.
I held on to the wheels thinking I might buy a pickup  they fit again. But don't think that will happen.
Sure wish I could find out if they would fit in place of dual's on a 1979 Dual wheel trailer. Found a Dump trailer that still has 16.5's on it. And would run these 19.5's if they would fit. Or at least use them on the trip home. Until I could find 16's and replace the 16.5's
Here's what's on the trailer now.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I missed this, but I'd bet the trailer has the same 8 on 6.5 lug pattern your Chevy had.  Just need to figure out if the axles on the trailer are hub pilot or stud pilot..  Small pic, but looks like hub pilot to me.  If they use flange style lugs, they should be hub pilot..  

Then you just gotta see if the hub pilots match, & if they do you might be in business?  You could probably find out the Chevy hub pilot size on line, or if you still have the specs from when you ordered them from Rickson..

On the trailer side, if it's equipped with Dexter 9k--12k it should be 4.75" hubs..
If they are ALKO, QRG, or Rockwell American 10k--12k they should be 4.88" hubs..

Lots of if's there.   Best of luck..
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They fit the trailer. Working on replacing brakes, seals and checking every bearing on it now. I had one hub the wheels would not fit. But it has bad lug studs. There bent some, so will replace all 8 screw in 5/8" studs on that hub.
IT has 12 1/4"x4" brakes. And man they love those. I did find replacement shoes for $80. Per Drum.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeteK wrote:
They fit the trailer. Working on replacing brakes, seals and checking every bearing on it now. I had one hub the wheels would not fit. But it has bad lug studs. There bent some, so will replace all 8 screw in 5/8" studs on that hub.
IT has 12 1/4"x4" brakes. And man they love those. I did find replacement shoes for $80. Per Drum.



Right on man!!  Those wheels will look sweet as hell on a trailer!!  (They looked killer on the Chevy too by the way)  So what axles does the dump actually have on it?  Not sure if it was the same back in '79, but as of now the only axle I'm aware of with the 12 1/4" x 4" brake is the Dexter 10k HD axle.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You got it, 10,000 HD axles. Figure the brake job will come in around $1000. Going to replace all bearings, race's, seals and brake pads along with magnets. Drums are in great shape. I think this trailer sat most of its life. Still has the round magnets.
Bought it to haul Gravel for myself. I have around 100 loads of fill and limestone base to haul. And thought find a trailer and haul it myself. Also my wife works for a company that sells the rock. So we get it at a big discount. Thus a win win win deal.
Funny thing with this trailer compared to newer trailers. This trailer is rated at 15,000 lb . And that's with 2 10,000 HD axles Compared to today's trailers.
where the 2 axles @ 10,000 lbs would on some be rated at 24,000 lbs.
Frame is built out of tubing. 3" wide x 8" tall and 1/4" thick. Built like a tank from the ground up. Model #01 SN 99 and tag shows empty weight of get this 2950 lbs. 7ft 8" wide X 16ft long Giant cylinder on the scissor lift. Looked at a lot of dumps. While searching for one I wanted. Most have scissor lift that's half or less in size.
It also  came factory with king pin only. No gooseneck ball hookup on this one. Al wiring was ran through the tubing. Comes out in grommets at axles and back.

For being a Factory made Trailer in 1979. The company that made in in OHIO, build them to last. Don't think they stayed in   business long though. As doing a search did not come up with anything on there company name.

Will post pics when I get it back together. Its on jack stands now waiting on the brown truck to deliver all  the parts.[/img]
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all know the saying, "they sure don't build em' like they used to"..   Some of the best stuff made in my opinion, are things that didn't just get run down the assembly line by people working just to collect a paycheck.  It may have been built by a small family owned outfit that truly cared & wanted their customers to receive quality, long lasting products.  Something very rare in this day, where it's all about cutting cost & saving time..


Less than 3k lbs tare weight is pretty impressive for a dump of that size..


Not sure about that 15k GVWR.?  Maybe original owner had it de-rated to stay under CDL licensing requirements.?  Or maybe to save a little coin on registration fees..?   Are the 10k HD axles OE?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swamp Weasel wrote:
We all know the saying, "they sure don't build em' like they used to"..   Some of the best stuff made in my opinion, are things that didn't just get run down the assembly line by people working just to collect a paycheck.  It may have been built by a small family owned outfit that truly cared & wanted their customers to receive quality, long lasting products.  Something very rare in this day, where it's all about cutting cost & saving time..


Less than 3k lbs tare weight is pretty impressive for a dump of that size..


Not sure about that 15k GVWR.?  Maybe original owner had it de-rated to stay under CDL licensing requirements.?  Or maybe to save a little coin on registration fees..?   Are the 10k HD axles OE?

Axles are what came on it. Also still has original bearings, seals and brake items on it. Rate ratings are on the factory tag. Has the make, Model and ratings on the Tag along with name of the company that build it in 1979.
Maker Burkhart & Fry MGF CO Montpelier OH

Weight saving is from using tubing on everything to do with the frame and gooseneck. But the cost today, would make most people not look at a tube frame trailer. Also it only has the front on it out of metal. Sides and back came factory with side boards. So there's guessing 800 lb extra when I build new 12 gauge sides and dual tailgate on it soon.
Place near me makes log bunk trailers out of tubing. And the weight savings is unreal. But also cost 65% more per trailer. When I was hauling logs. We build our own trailers. And main frame was I-beam. But everything else was Tube. Saved over 700 lbs on the ones we used tubing on.
Pic of it from the side. Battery and pump is in the front box at the king lin.







Those pics were taken in southern MI. As here we had green trees and grass. Along with 80 degree temps.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right on, that thing looks fantastic especially being it's damn near 40 years old.  Looks solid as all get out..

I had no idea tube was so stout, & weight efficient.  I knew a 4 sided box structure did have a strength advantage vs. angle or channel..  I was always told to be weary of tube because it rots from the inside out, but what you've got there sure seems to have stood the test of time like a champ!!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first seen the trailer. I thought that is not good. But remembered the weight savings on the log trailer. Did some research, and found out the reason people did not build them like this. Cost was more then people wanted to pay. Looked into the tubes behind the     rear tail lights. Insides of tubes look like new metal. But its capped everywhere. And only open where they screwed in the tail lights. Also there held on with three screws. Along with a O-ring sealing them to the rear of the tube. All wiring is run through the tubes also. And comes out a fixture that is sealed where it comes out.

Parts should be in by Friday. Then get all bearings replaced. New seals along with all new brakes parts.
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