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TWSINC



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:19 pm    Post subject: Over size loads  Reply with quote

I'm getting more requests to haul over size loads. I've never done this before and not sure what to add dollar wise to take these loads. I understand there's the cost of permits.

Also does anyone have pictures of how they mount there flags on the front and back of there rigs.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would call some of the companies that specialize in oversize loads and ask for a quote to get an idea of the rates charged, as far as requirements I would research the state that I would be hauling in and their specific requirements...just my 2 cents, I am clueless myself...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've ran a lot of oversized loads over the years, up to 21' wide, upto 120' long, and upto I think 18 tall. Pretty much backed away from hauling them anymore though. Everybody wants you to haul wide loads for just a little bit more than what a regular load pays these days.

Not to mention waiting for permits can take forever. A lot of cities now make you get permits for when you jump off the Interstate. For instance let's say you haul a OD load from TX to Los Angeles. You need your regular permits for the interstates in each state and you also need permits from each city you roll through once you exit the Interstate. And many of these cities have curfews.

And here's a real kicker, even though most the permit office sets the route. If you happen to hit something like a low bridge for instance, it's your fault.

Had a buddy years ago hit a bridge on hhy 99. He destroyed the bridge, the load, and ripped the fifth wheel right off the truck. I just happened to be at home watching him on the news. He was being interview and he was saying this is how Cal Trans routed me, look the route is right here on my permit. I was like oh man you're screwed buddy, it's still your responsibility to physically check all bridge heights along your route. He lost everything he owned.

Now imagine heading into a big city with a OD load and before you go down all the streets with the load you have to personally check the route. And at the same time you only have so many hours to get the job done because there's a curfew. Now let's toss in the traffic. Somebody hits the load with their car. That's right, that'll be your fault also.

There's some picture of how I set up my 2005 Dodge on here. I'll see if I can find them for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hers the link to some pictures of how I set my old truck up.

http://ltlhotshot.myfreeforum.org/about11.html
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me jump in here for just a moment,  O/S  is a specialised form of transport as has been mentioned,  if you moving something just wide it's not too much of a headache,  most O/S routes have you on 12 wide lanes,  unless you're in Texas then it might be 8' wide.  Never try to bid a load based on truck practical, base it on known O/S routes Calif has I think 3 or 4 major routes,  if you need escorts  they get up to $2.00 a mile and some have min day rates  along with mileage rates.

I have a question or two also are they calling you to move these loads with little or no advanced notice ??  if they are  I would be very careful permits can take sometimes weeks to get,  or they are hoping you have no clue as to what you getting into   and are trying to get O/S moved at flatbed rates  there is a lot of that going on now
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are plastic tanks that are 10' wide. So there lightweight but definitely a wind catcher.

I'm looking for ideas on how to mount the signage and flags to my truck and trailer with the least amount of modification...especially to the truck.

Gary, maybe you could answer this. What's the best way to figure the additional cost to run these loads?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can be difficult to figure because you don't  always know what the permits are going to run you until you apply for them , and you don't always know the route the permit office is going to throw at you.

Here's a for instance, some years back I picked up a 11' 6", or 12' wide excavator in Davenport, IA. It was going to Albany, NY. It should've been a straight shot on I-80 to I-90. Exiting IL into IN the highways on my permits didn't even line up. Instead of just crossing the state line on I-80/I-90 they shot me way south in IL. Many miles out of the way. And then my entry point into IN showed I-80/90. Because of their error, and the fact that It was to late to try and fix the error with the permit office in IL. I was way off course. If I'd of been stopped in IN that far south of I-80/90 i'd of gotten a seriously expensive ticket and been shut down for being out of route. I didn't get my permit for IN until I was dam near to the border and I was pressed for time.

I snuck through and got back on I-90. Now when I finally hit Ohio some jack wagon in the permit office had me routed on every back road you could imagine. They had me going south on 127, almost to Springfield, and then ram me east over to near 77, and then headed me back north.  I could see interstate 77 but they had routed on some sorry frontage road. I was pissed. I had bid the job as a straight shot like it should've been. It was far from a straight shot though. All them extra miles, all the extra time stuck behind Omish buggies.

I had to do some boot legging on that run, otherwise I'd of ended up shut down for the weekend and that would've added days to the job without any extra pay. Now had I been caught out of route, running during the curfew the fines would've been staggering.

On a permit load you have to bid the job for all the unexpected stuff like this which makes it difficult to figure. Permit changes, delays, curfews, tolls, etc.

I was picking up my permits a long the way because they were taking so long to get. I was having them faxed to scale houses, and toll plazas. We didn't have laptops, and cell phones back then.

Bidding a local OD load is much simpler because you probably already know the route options and in a lot of cases you can request the route you want to run and chances are good they'll let you run the route you want.

Like islands, and I are saying, you'll see OD loads posted that are way to cheap to haul. The rate may look attractive but it rarely turns into the pay day you were expecting. In many cases you can go deep in the hole.

If you really want to do some OD, I say haul some around your home base area, and stick loads no more than 10' or 11' wide. Just to gain some experience.

As far as OD signs/banners, I recommend the mesh ones so you don't block air to your radiator, this also works best on the back because a solid vinyl sign will act as a balloon. Always carry a extra sign, or two, and some extra flags, just in case you lose one while you're under a OD load.  

You can tie it right onto the front of your truck and back of the load if you want. I never liked doing that myself because any movement can mark up  paint and even remove paint. That's why I made that rack for the front of my truck.

For my rear banner I made some custom pipe stakes and simply tied each side of the mesh banner to the stakes. It worked well for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those plastic tanks are not too bad,  I would either make up some saddles for them or wedges you can nail to your trailer floor, and use 4" straps on them at least 2 preferably 3each tank, I think you could bid this  routed miles, just because of the things being O/S,  one other thing you might want to invest in is some min 1" schedule 80 water / electrical  pipe 20' lengths for lifting those stray low wires to mount on the top of the tanks one would be surprised as to how many there are  phone, cable, power drops, all kinds of things !!

I guess I should also add, I am on oversize load escort,  Gary is correct about the mesh signs, they also have them with bungies  but you're going to need the 7' long X 18" ones  front and rear,  on the rear you can hook them to your straps  before that final umph to tighten them
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the posts


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